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02 Apr, 2008

eLocal Listings, Don’t Hire These Guys

Posted by: Jeremy Scott In: Uncategorized

eLocal Listings Shady SEO PitchWe here at Keystone offer our clients SEO services.  SEO stands for Search Engine Optimization, and it’s the process of helping your website communicate your business and your keywords to the search engines. There are a host of companies out there making outlandish promises regarding search engines, and they con a lot of people out of their money. 

From time to time, we get an email or a phone call from one of these companies, and I gamely play along.  I act stupid and ignorant of SEO practices and let them give me their snake-oil salesman routine so that I can better help you–the client–steer clear of such scams. 

Today I got a fun call from eLocal Listings, offering one of the shadiest SEO pitches I’ve ever received.  We’ll just call the guy Bob, because I was so busy trying not to laugh that I forgot his real name.  Bob started out by telling me that his company could help us land tons of new clients through search engine placement.  I’ll just list the errors, omissions, and outright lies I found in what he said, and then explain why he’s wrong: 

1. He didn’t do his research.  The first move Bob made was to not research our site and see that we offer SEO services ourselves.  So he could have saved himself some embarrassment by not trying to lie to someone who knows more about real SEO than he ever will. 

2. He didn’t test his theories.  Bob had done just enough research to know that Keystone offers Network Administration services (helping clients with their office computer networks) and that we were located in Hendersonville, TN.  So Bob asked me to go to Yahoo and search for “network integration hendersonville, tn” so I could see that we don’t rank well for that keyword phrase.  Problem is… we do.  We’re number one, in fact (because I do my job, and do it fairly well, and also because there simply aren’t a lot of “network integration” companies in the small town of Hendersonville, TN). 

I pointed out to Bob that we were already #1 for that term, and it was the first of many times to come where he was a bit speechless.  “Well, you’ve got that one organically, don’t you?”  Yes, Bob.  Yes we do.  Any other brilliant sales pitch techniques you want to run by me? 

Bob’s solution to this sales roadblock was to say “Well, what if you search for ‘web development hendersonville, tn’?”  I ran that query and as Bob started to point out how we didn’t rank for that, I interrupted him to say that “Well, we’re not number 1, but we’re on that first page… 8th down the list.” 

So Bob clearly didn’t run these queries before calling me.  He was just banking on the fact that he’d be right, and we wouldn’t rank at all.  Eventually he found a phrase we didn’t rank for, and seemed to feel some pride about it.  Good for you, Bob. 

3. He used Yahoo for his examples.  Bob, if you really knew about SEO, you’d know that Google is the dominant player, with over 60% market share, and that Yahoo is a VERY distant second.  It should be noted that I really could care less how well or poorly I rank on Yahoo.  But Bob was basing his entire pitch on a search engine that only has 17% of the search market at best. 

4. He made vague boasts about his services.  Bob said, “We have a special relationship with Google and Yahoo, because of the fine work that we do–in fact, both companies are considering buying us.  Google’s been to our offices and we’ve been to theirs.  Because of this special relationship, we can submit your keywords to them directly instead of going through the normal channels.”  Ugh.  So, I’ll deal with this more in a moment… for now, just know that no SEO has a special arrangement with Google or Yahoo that allows them to circumvent normal SEO practices.  It’s somewhere between a sneaky sales tactic and an outright lie.  Oh, and just because you have been to their offices (which I doubt) doesn’t prove some secret pact with them.  I’ve been to the White House, so does that mean I have a “special relationship” with President Bush?

5. He uses link farms.  Bob said that in addition to submitting my keywords to Google through his special relationship with them, he would also be providing me with a one-page website about our business.  And because they give these one-page sites to all their clients, he can also then promise hundreds of links would be set up to be directed at my site.  Links can, indeed, be helpful for SEO.  But there is a HUGE difference between links that occur naturally and links that are part of giant spammy link networks.  The former is helpful, the latter can get your site banned from search engines altogether. 

6. He lied to me.  Bob said they had Google’s logo on their site, and had it because of their “special relationship.”  He told him which page on their site had the logo, and I saw evil shady seo pitch dudea little button that says “We follow Google’s Webmaster Guidelines.”  And there’s a small graphic with Google-colored circles in it.  But it wasn’t Google’s “logo.”

Bob went on and on about how hard it is to get Google to let you use their logo, so that MUST mean eLocal is legitimate. 

Whatever, Bob.  That’s not the real Google logo.  Besides, I can right-click and “save as” on any graphic I find online, and then post that graphic on my website… it doesn’t prove anything. 

Bob’s real lie, however, is in that button’s claim that eLocal  Listings “follows Google’s Webmaster Guidelines.”  No, Bob, you don’t.  See, I clicked that button, and it took me to this page on Google’s site, listing some of their qualifications on what makes someone a good or bad SEO.  There are three key passages on this page that I want to highlight to you, where Google takes the time to warn you about shady SEO people.  Here’s the first one:

Be wary of SEO firms and web consultants or agencies that send you email out of the blue.

Amazingly, we get these spam emails too:

    “Dear google.com,
    I visited your website and noticed that you are not listed in most of the major search engines and directories…”

Reserve the same skepticism for unsolicited email about search engines as you do for “burn fat at night” diet pills or requests to help transfer funds from deposed dictators.

Amen, Google.  And Bob here just cold-called me to offer unsolicited SEO services.  Sure, he didn’t email… he used the phone.  But I think I’ll go ahead and put him in the pile with the rest of the diet pill and Viagra solicitations I get.  Here’s another section I want to point out:

No one can guarantee a #1 ranking on Google.

Beware of SEOs that claim to guarantee rankings, allege a “special relationship” with Google, or advertise a “priority submit” to Google. There is no priority submit for Google. In fact, the only way to submit a site to Google directly is through our Add URL page or through the Webmaster Tools and you can do this yourself at no cost whatsoever.

Let me emphasize my favorite part… “Beware of SEOs that claim to guarantee rankings, (or) allege a ’special relationship’ with Google…”  Bob… buddy.  Pal.  You already told me on three separate occasions during this call that your company has a special relationship with Google.  Then you took me from your site to Google’s Webmaster Guidelines site that explicitly tells me to avoid people that do that.  Are you trying to kill your own sale?

Okay, here’s the last part of Google’s warnings that applies:

Avoid SEOs that talk about the power of “free-for-all” links, link popularity schemes, or submitting your site to thousands of search engines. These are typically useless exercises that don’t affect your ranking in the results of the major search engines — at least, not in a way you would likely consider to be positive.

So, again, you’ve linked me to a Google page that tells me to steer clear of link schemes, after you promised your link scheme would help me rank better.  Which is it, Bob?  Do you want to give me a bunch of spammy links to help my rankings or have me listen to Google (who tells me the opposite)?  I asked Bob directly why he was promising to use links in a way that this Google page said was bad, and do you know what he did?  He changed the subject immediately, and started talking about how they can choose the best 10 keywords for me and submit them to Google.  Deflection is the oldest shady sales trick in the book, people.  “Hey, look over there!”

7. He told me they would pick my keywords.  If I’m paying someone to rank my site better on Google, I at least want to have some input as to what keyword phrases are targeted.  For instance, even if Bob had been able to show that Keystone doesn’t rank well for “network integration hendersonville, tn”, it wouldn’t have bothered me.  “Network integration” is not a very common search phrase.  Maybe “network administration”… definitely “office computer networks” (which we rank #1 for, by the way).  But not “network integration.”  If this is the kind of keyword phrases Bob was going to be able to rank me for, I have to wonder how valuable that service is. 

8. He didn’t follow through.  Before we hung up, I asked him to send me something in writing via email… some overview of their services so I could “sit down with my boss and talk over our options.”  He agreed.  Here we are, 6 hours later and I still haven’t received it.  So either Bob lied and never intended to send it, or he sent it and it was caught by my spam filter.  Either way, it doesn’t reflect well on him. 

The list of errors could go on and on–and I’ve already written a novel here.  The point is, be on the lookout for shady SEO pitches, and run from them. 

For reference, here is the main launchpad page for Google’s Webmaster Guidelines.  It details pretty much all the do’s and don’ts of SEO, and will help you determine if that joker on the phone has any clue what he’s talking about or not.  Or… better yet… just call me when you have a shady SEO offering you unrequested services.  I’ll be happy to tell you what I think–for free.  And if you want to forward me any unsolicited SEO services emails, I am compiling a nice collection of these losers and would love to add yours. 

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62 Responses to "eLocal Listings, Don’t Hire These Guys"

1 | MNH

April 15th, 2008 at 4:51 pm

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This company is shady…Please learn from me do not do business with them! I am still trying to get my money back from these shady people!!!!

2 | Jeremy Scott

April 16th, 2008 at 7:30 am

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Well, when nearly all the results on a Google search for their business name return other pages warning against them (such as the Ripoff Report)… that should tell us something.

Sorry you’re having a bad experience with them. Good luck!

3 | James

April 16th, 2008 at 1:34 pm

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Elocal does work out well for some people, so I don’t see the point of writing a novel about them. When I signed up, they showed me various examples of customers that rank HIGH on google, and yahoo. It’s working well for me and I wouldn’t change to ANY other company (as i’ve tried them in the past) Find something better to do with your time, Buddy. Pal!

4 | Eric Jackson

April 17th, 2008 at 9:26 am

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Hi “James,”

Did you type all that with a straight face?

I’m sure you’re just a happy customer eLocal Listings customer who is searching for information about eLocal Listings so you can swoop down and defend their honor. Right. And by customer I’m pretty sure you mean “employee.”

Let’s get a few facts straight:

1. eLocal Listings called US to sell SEO services to US. We didn’t call them. We didn’t ask to be scammed. It’s their problem that they called Eskimoes and tried to sell them ice.

2. If the eLocal Listings employee had any sense, he’d have known who he was calling…we’re not exactly hard to find using Google… a tool that eLocal Listings claims to be familiar with. (Note: We WOULDN’T call another SEO company to sell them SEO services. We’re smart like that.)

3. He proceeded to tell what we in the legitimate SEO business call “bald-faced lies,” all documented in the post you’re responding to.

4. We know where you’re located and you’re not fooling anyone around here. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the IP addresses of both your comment above and your mail server are in the same area in California where eLocal Listings is located. Coincidence? Maybe. Are you lying about who you work for? Most likely.

5. We’re not writing a novel. A novel is fiction…sort of like eLocal Listings claims. What we’re doing is reporting facts to the world so eLocal Listings doesn’t screw anyone WE know. I like typing eLocal Listings because it means that this comment will get crawled by Google and raise the rank of this post, hopefully keeping eLocal Listings from screwing anyone EVER.

If you have the guts (and I’m quite sure you don’t) why don’t you just post the URL of the your company, the company you claim eLocal Listings did such a great job for, right here in our comments section. Furthermore, tell us EXACTLY what they did that is so great. I’d LOVE to see what they did. Remember, a chimp can do pay-per-click and get any site to “rank HIGH on google and yahoo.”Around here we usually capitalize Google and Yahoo!

Also, nice attempt at getting an incoming link to eLocal Listings by posting the URL on our blog. How friggin’ stupid do you think we are?

“James,” please make sure that your telemarketing scumbags at eLocal Listings do at least a LITTLE research before making their calls and figure out whether or not they’re cold-calling a PROFESSIONAL SEO COMPANY!!!

Best Regards,
Eric Jackson
Managing Partner
Keystone Business Solutions, LLC

6 | Garrett Murray

May 2nd, 2008 at 8:34 pm

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I just started a business and the same day I ran an ad in the paper I got a call from these jokers. First they started by acting as if they where a customer in need of help. Then they broke into what they where selling. He had me do several searches and all but one didn’t produce top ratings. When Sam couldn’t convince me he handed me over to his boss. I told them I don’t give out my credit card information until I research their company. So I took their name number and web address and said I would call them if I was further interested. Now that I have confirmed what I thought was true, I am not calling them back!

Thanks,
Garrett

7 | Valerie Johnson

May 6th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

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I tried their service and was not impressed, very few calls and I found my name on pages that I would NEVER even go to - very unprofessional.

8 | Patti Wilson

May 21st, 2008 at 12:20 pm

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I received a couple calls in the past few weeks from this company. The man who called me today, “Kyle”, called saying he needed to speak to the owner right away, not offering his name or where he was calling from. Doing what I do, I prodded to get more information. He asked us if we were in need of “projects” before he told me where he was calling from–a clever ploy, because it meant he could’ve been from a company looking to use our services. Nope! After listening to his spiel for a minute or two, I got his information and hung up, but I’m not planning on passing it on to my boss after the researching I did. Thanks for posting this!

9 | Jeremy Scott

May 21st, 2008 at 12:59 pm

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You are welcome.

I’m not a big fan of sales tactics that misrepresent what you do–which is what I felt they were doing. And there are a host of SEO companies out there that do the same thing. Just say what you do. SEO isn’t complicated, and the steps you need to take to rank better are pretty common knowledge.

My professional opinion would be to avoid SEO companies that are cold calling you, especially if they “prove” you need their services by having you search for yourself on any non-Google search engine.

10 | roger dubois

May 22nd, 2008 at 1:54 pm

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I signed up with them for my tech service business and paid for a few months something like 159 dollars per month. Then, when after a couple of months I could not pull up my service on any search engine, I called them to complain and they said they were improving their service with some kind of video ad, which I was able to pull up when I went to an url that they gave me. THe only thing was, it would not come up in a search, so it was worthless. So I called them a few days later and they offered to reduce the cost to 129 dollars per month and optimize the search. A few days later when it still would not appear no matter what I seached for, I just cancelled the credit card. Then they had the nerve to call me and threaten me with sending it to a collection agency. Does any one know if they can legally hound me to pay for something that does not work, even if I made some kind of agreement on the phone. I would also like to be a part of a lawsuit if anyone is interested and would know how to go about starting one.

11 | never mind

May 27th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

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i canceled my try out and they still charged me about a week later ,i m still try’n to get my money back for the last three weeks

12 | Ex Elocal

June 28th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

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I recently got laid off from elocal and I can assure you after two years of being brain washed its like a breath of fresh air! The facts are: Yes we are losing most of everyone we sign up, Yes anyone can do this themselves for free, Yes we use Yahoo because we cant get you up on Google, Yes yahoo has recently rejected our listings and we are not able to get you on their anymore either, Yes the employees lie but the truth is we have these weekly meetings were we are brain washed and Todd Johnson holds money over our heads and tells us all of our hard work is going to pay off in all these stocks we own! So I can honestly say this… We were lying without even knowing it! I fell for it all hook line and sinker, this company is in debt and will be go out of business soon only to pop up as someone else a couple months later!

13 | Jeremy Scott

June 30th, 2008 at 11:29 am

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Wow. Well, thanks so much for sharing that insight. It’s great to have the perspective of someone who was on the inside to confirm what so many of us here have been suspecting.

Here’s hoping your next job is a better situation for you.

14 | Mother

July 2nd, 2008 at 9:47 am

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I am also an ex- elocal employee. I was promised an early retirement and life long financial stability.. (I know it sounded too good to be true from day one)
I was forced into staying with the thought of leaving before I sold my stocks..
I was treated poorly and even demoted while out sick. In the end, I was layed off and hospitilized for stress and anxiety. Please check rip off report.com for more employee experiences….Please dont support this company. They lie, cheat and steal.. all the while making excuses as to why they are so great.

15 | Jeremy Scott

July 2nd, 2008 at 12:01 pm

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Well, again, thanks for sharing that story. It was pretty obvious from the get go for me that the company wasn’t above board, but it’s clearly very nice to have some insider experiences to back up my hunches.

I’m sorry to hear about your experience. I hope you’ve landed in a better work environment.

Thanks for adding your story!

16 | Brittany D

August 28th, 2008 at 10:57 am

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hI I ACTUALLY WORK AT ELOCAL AND I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK ITS FUNNY PEOPLE WASTE THEIR TIME POSTING BAD THINGS ABOUT THE COMPANY. I LOVE MY JOB AND EVERYONE WHO WORKS HERE, I DO AS IM TOLD AND MAKE SURE MY CUSTOMERS GET THE BEST CUSTOMER SERVICE POSSIBLE. HOW CAN WE BE A SCAM IF WE OFFER A MONTH TO MONTH SERVICE? ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO CANCEL IS GIVE US A CALL AND YOU WONT BE CHARGED ANYMORE. OF COURSE NO LARGE CORPORATION CAN MAKE 100% OF THEIR CUSTOMERS HAPPY, WE DO OUR BEST AND IM VERY HAPPY TO WORK AT ELOCAL.

17 | Jeremy Scott

August 29th, 2008 at 7:08 am

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Really?
Because I think it’s funny that you think a little comment on an insignificant blog like ours is going to help your company’s reputation when a simple search for your business name reveals several websites talking about how bad-and-possibly-shady your services are.

I also think it’s funny that you think screaming at us in all caps is the way to go here.

And I’m more inclined to believe the countless people I’ve read online who talk about how hard it is to cancel your month-to-month service, rather than believe you when you say canceling is easy.

But thanks for stopping by. Glad you enjoy your job, I guess. Good spin-docctoring… not.

18 | what a joke

September 17th, 2008 at 12:42 am

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I worked for elocal for a year!!

SCAM SCAM SCAM.

do NOT trust this company. Todd is the ring leader,
and does in fact hold false promises and money over the employees heads. The sales department, are instructed to LIE. We had weekly meetings, called THE CHURCH OF TODD to discuss loop holes, and ways to get out of giving back due monies.

Please save yourself the headache and money and DO NOT do business with them!

They just laid off half their staff, and are so, so far in debt!

They were previously: Relevant Yellow and Zone Communications.

This scam will pop up again under a 4th name!!

19 | Prior Employee

September 21st, 2008 at 10:29 pm

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I have no opinion on the topic at hand I just want to say that they were never ever relevant yellow, that was a company they worked with. But yes they were zone communications.

20 | Almost at a loss for words

October 18th, 2008 at 1:49 am

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Geez, where do i begin? I cant believe that you would exert so much time and effort in bad mouthing a company and not do the research to get some of your facts straight. I do happen to be affiliated with this company, and i can at least give you a few facts in regards to some of the issues. now first off, i find it hilarious that people think they are clever when they do `research` on the company and see listings on rip off report, but they dont bother to do research on the website that they are getting the information from. now, if you were to do a tad more investigating you would find that the founder Ed Magdenson is a fugitive from the US government for numerous counts including drug involvement. He also has several suits currently involving libel with companies that he has written false information about. Yes, this is who I want to get my facts from, give me a break. Essentially, it is a rant forum. I could go to that website, fill a report out for this company, go on and on about how i was scammed, and its not necessarily true. Dont get me wrong we cant make everyone happy, we have about 13,000 customers so its no easy feat.And another thing, we dont guarantee placement whatsoever. We do have a very high success rate in listing our clients on the first pages of the search results, and we tell them that. We do have a very good b2b relationship with yahoo and google, we are one of only twenty something companies in the world that can directly submit data to these search engines. (can your backwoods Tennessee company say the same?)

21 | Jeremy Scott

October 20th, 2008 at 7:40 am

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So you’re ripping me for not having done enough research on eLocal Listings and Ripoff Report before writing?

Did you even read my post?

That’s rhetorical, because it’s quite clear that you didn’t, or you would have noticed that I didn’t write this because I read some Ripoff Report and decided to summarize it.

This post was written after personal contact with eLocal. You called me. And when you called me, you weren’t prepared, you didn’t know a thing about my company or my website, you made false claims, and generally seemed like weasels. And one of the first points I made was about how your man didn’t do enough research on a website before making assumptions.

And I would love it if you would have a Google or Yahoo representative support your claim that you can submit things directly to them, since their websites and spokespeople insist that no one has that privilege. Until I can see that… then you might as well claim you guys cure cancer–it’d be just as believable.

Thanks for continuing to act in a way that only further supports our conclusions.

22 | Nexgen Business Solutions

November 6th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

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This company is VERY shady. They called us today too…
Tried to force us into buying their services.

We do SEO also, but they were too lazy to visit our site to see our services.

ELocallisting.com … buyer BEWARE….

If it’s too good to be true, then it’s too good to be true.

To the author of this page, keep up the good work.

23 | Kath

November 13th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

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Hi,

Well I fell victim to these guys yesterday. They sounded like they genuinely cared, though I thought it weird that they could not supply statistics. Anyway, when I researched them an hour or so later, I immediately called CA customer service to cancel. He emailed the re-sellers he said I spoke to in PA, and suggested I do as well. I have since emailed both CA and PA and spoken to one of the guys in PA, and no one has/can confirm this has been cancelled. I do not want to lose the hard-earned Google & Yahoo rankings we have achieved.

Any other advice??

24 | Long Island Home Insurance

November 20th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

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Wow - this is by far the best post I have read on this company. Jeremy, you summarized your points so well and gave lots of pointers that most people would not take into consideration. I think you will help a lot of business owners make the proper decisions. Can anyone else please tell me what other names/companies are affiliated with them so I can watch out for myself? I know they have a few that they go by.

25 | Paul

November 20th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

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It took my threatening to call the California Attorney General to get my money back from eLocal Listings.

Of course, all of the recommendations you’ve made in this article make perfect sense. As small business owners, the competition can be fierce so when someone offers a solution to better exposure, we often fall victim to the ploy.

For several days with this company my organic ranking was good however, several weeks later I was on page 3. SEO requires constant tracking and as we know, the net is constantly changing.

I continue to receive weekly phone calls from similar companies…including eLocal Listings asking me to reconsider using them!!! Thanks for your valuable information.

26 | toritaiyo

November 24th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

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“Dear google.com,
I visited your website and noticed that you are not listed in most of the major search engines and directories…”

LOL!!! :)

That is hilarious!!

Awesome post. agree 100%
I was just complaining about them on seochat before I found this post.
http://forums.seochat.com/seo-professionals-57/pros-and-cons-of-company-elocal-listing-192844.html

These elocal people are horrible.

27 | OH MY

December 29th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

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I am working for a company that unfortunately is using elocallistings. I wish I would have read this before we signed up. I had a salesman call and call and call and call, as a matter of fact there were 2 of them. We finally signed up (5) different listings and now no one will return my calls. Only (2) of my companies is working how they said it would. Of course they are still charging me. As a matter of fact when we signed up, the first months billing was even wrong. I couldn’t get anyone to call me about that. This company has the WORST customer service, but I gotta hand it to their salesmen. They are good at what they do. Aren’t most just a bunch of Liars? I would never recommend this this service to anyone!

28 | EX Employee

January 10th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

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I worked for elocal as well as the previous company zonecom. I have experience in almost every department as I wanted to know how everything worked so I could be promoted to a management position. I do not socialize with management and this lead to my being laid off. I wont go into details here about that. I do want to explain how they operate. They are all about your taking your money and keeping it! The truth is submitting your keywords to Google and Yahoo is like throwing spaghetti to a wall, sometimes we could get your listing to “stick” sometimes not! The truth is if you live in a small town your chances of seeing the key words you choose are pretty good. The larger the town forget it! Unless you have really lame key words that have nothing to do with your company. Customer service reps at one point really did care however now they are forced to use hard pressure sales tactics to convince you not to cancel. Todd Johnson (one of the owners) holds meeting that constantly remind you that if your not saving customers or your sales are not high enough you will be let go. The problem is they do not have a product that works! The elocal employees have it coming at them from all angles.. angry customers and aggressive, abusive management. In customer service they actually have bullys (managers) that stand over you and listen to your call, if you cancel a customer you will be reprimanded there on the spot. Since I started there I was told I was going to be a millionaire, and at first I believed them. After about a year in a half I was brought to sit into closed meetings and realized that they were in trouble. The truth is most customers cancel. The retention rate is unbelievably low. They are actually loosing money. Thats why all the layoffs. You only kept your job if you were socializing with the higher ups. I was told I would be called back in August, as did most everyone else that was laid off. The ugly truth is our positions were immediately filled by young adults / kids that would work for minimum wage and part time hours. This eliminated the need to pay for our medical benefits, overtime, and these new hires are not eligible for company stock. Do not trust a company that has no money! They will fight tooth and nail to keep yours even if they are not doing anything for you. As for all of the rebuttals from current elocal employees why don’t stop trying to defend elocal and do your job! Im sure your crm inbox is full of customers waiting for you to fix their problems!

29 | EX Employee

January 11th, 2009 at 12:04 am

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Oh and by the way, if at first you do get up on Yahoo I can assure you you wont stay there long. And try mentioning Google to anyone at elocal, its a dirty word to them because they CANT GET YOU UP there.

30 | Ex-employee

January 15th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

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Long story short, I started a job working for a “E Local Succes” yesterday. Sounds EXACTLY like your company. they tell us to sell a dream to small businesses (the smaller the better) and promise them the front page of google and yahoo. they also make sure during our “close” of the deal that we make sure to say “we guarantee you to be placed on google”. I knew it was all fishy from the time they said they just moved from miami to ft.lauderdale, then come to find they told the sec. they just hired that they just moved there from west palm beach. they told me at the interview they were in business for 7 years, which today turned into 2 years, after searching their business info i find they’ve been around since may of 08. they told me the owners name was rick and the headquarters was in new york. after my research on sunbiz the owners name is alakzandr something and he lives in port st. lucy! I plan to report them but just wanted to let you know I believe they changed their name to e local marketing/e local succes, the managers name is Bruce (pretty close to Bob) and just out of curiosity is the website http://www.elocalsucces.com???

31 | Nate

January 16th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

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Jeremy,

Thank you so much for this posting. I just finished getting a call from elocallisting and there were many things that sounded fishy - like for example the fact that the sales person started out by saying we are calling you because we saw your listing and saw that you have many positive reviews. I just started the business and just put it in the listing and I don’t have any reviews yet.

Anyway, after hearing their spiel, I told them I’d call them back after doing some research.

Thanks for all the info, you’ve just confirmed that I should not work with these people.

Keep up the good work.

Nate

32 | pirategirl

February 1st, 2009 at 5:14 pm

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these guys are SCAM to the max!!! Liars and fraud. DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS COMPANY!! The BBB gives them a D- and recommends that you DO NOT do business with them!

33 | Eddy Truitt

February 6th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

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I got one for you:

I worked for these idiots in Burbank CA about 2 years ago. I did not know anything but I was told as an employee that google was going to purchase the company and everyone was going to basically be rich as a result(yeah right)

I signed 8 accounts in my first week from monday to thursday……problem is Friday morning when I went to work early I caught them moving the entire office out- you could hear crickets in a room that was busy wiht 50 telemarketers the day before

they tried to screw me out of my money- so I went and got my little brother (who is 6′3 and bulletproof)

needless to say,. I got paid. but I feel bad from everyone else that worked there. What a scam.

Stay away from this company- take it from me I worked there.

Eddy Truitt

34 | Buckley

February 26th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

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In trying to edit an error I found on our Yahoo listing I was told by Yahoo that the listing is managed by E-Local. I checked and we pay them $59 per month! I thought they were actually Yahoo-Local, and since our web page and email address are through Yahoo, I thought they were part of some advertising package and web page fee. Obviously I pay very little attention to these things, which has cost me.
The Yahoo guy said that the thing they manage is free, and they set it up long ago and never touch it and I just noticed the errors. I guess they must manage other listings for us, but since they don’t answer their phone- you have to leave a message I was unable to find out what they are doing for me.
The card they charge each month expires soon, so maybe they will have to call me to get the new one and I will cancel, bu then what will happen to the listings they manage or set up?

35 | Former Employee

March 8th, 2009 at 1:04 am

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I used to work for a telemarketing callcenter that had a contract to call for eLocal. The center also did home mortgaging. Overall, the management of the center was great, and employees were never let go because of lack of sales. This is that company, which wasn’t under eLocal management, but was a privately owned callcenter that worked through contracts. I left because I couldn’t keep the hours with college starting.

Elocal does work, but it takes longer than they usually let you know. Usually, it’s about 3 months until you reach the top rankings of Google and Yahoo. Sometimes though, it doesn’t work.

You should never be told that they work with Google or Yahoo. They are an independent company.

They do pick out your keywords based on what they’ve seen work. You can always tell them keywords before purchasing (which I had done), or change keywords whenever you want for no fee (I wasn’t in customer service, so I can’t say if it works smooth through customer service).

In my callcenter, many leads were generated through an automatic dialer. Your business exists on a lead generator that is sold to callcenters, so they’re not the only ones with it. That’s why the callers have no real research done. There were of course those of us who did our own research and manually picked out businesses, and is where the successes come from. It is pointless to blindly dial, but that’s how most callcenters work.

If somebody there says they guarantee you to be #1 on Google, it’s that individual lying. Employees were specifically told you can’t do that, because it can’t be guaranteed. The only guarantee we offered was that you’ll make it to the front page once the service is in full effect (90 days). If you weren’t, you could cancel for no fee. At the time, there was a 30 day money back guarantee. Again, I wasn’t in customer service, so I don’t know anything about their cancel policy.

36 | Employee for 2 days and Quit!

March 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

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I just walked out of the e-local office about an hour ago. I was hired to do “inside sales” for them. This is nothing but a good old fashioned boiler room. They have “managers” screaming and yelling “so and so got a deal, lets hear it, Elocal rocks”. What a total bunch of crap. After “training for a day and a half”. They wanted me to call tattoo parlors in the middle of nowhere Arizona. I immediately declined, feeling that I could not ethically talk a small business owner into parting with their hard earned money for something they can so easily do themselves. This company is NOTHING, but a greedy, underpaying, money hungry, boiler room. Of course the management and the brain washed employees would beg to differ. Buyers and future employees BEWARE!

37 | Papa Georgio

March 11th, 2009 at 12:22 am

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The company eLocal is truly a well thought out scam, from setup fee scams to playing hard to get on the phone. As It has been so bluntly illustrated in the past. Uneducated business owners are being scammed daily into a service that is like paying someone to change the channel on your TV while you sit on the couch with the remote in your hand. Managing average small-medium sized business seo campaigns are extremely simple compared to large scaled campaigns. My question is why people continue to question this company’s integrity and not challenge it. I have read numerous complaints about being ripped off; why not initiate a class action lawsuit? I am sure there are plenty of ex employees (Me being one) willing to whistle blow on the company’s internal politics and practices. I am more than confident that there is a case against this company and they know it, from the illegal terminations to favoritism to sexual harassment to breech of contracts. This company is lucky the losers they have hired and fired (x alcoholics anonymous) do not have the finances or background to seek out true litigation. If all the companies who are complaining about elocal would contact each other and begin to process some form of legal action together, it would benefit them more effectively. Maybe getting a probe in the company to investigate it would be more useful. If you believe eLocal is an honest company…
1) You need to get your head out of your…
2) Any honest company does not need a “Honest Avenger” making threats to people speaking out on a public forums.
3) Google “elocal scam”
4) Visit http://www.ripoffreport.com and search for “elocal”
5) If you still are skeptical on whether or not to purchase their services, just shoot yourself in the foot when you give them your credit card info, it will make adjusting to getting ripped off much easier.

I challenge elocal to say something irrelevant, unlike most of your staff I actually have a background and track record to backup what I say, not some fairy in a suit and tie sprinkling b.s. around to all the flies in the shoebox. If you are a elocal sales employee getting ready to rebuttal this post make sure you are ready technically to engage in such a debate.

38 | Bill Werst

March 28th, 2009 at 11:53 am

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Ok, so elocal is a scam, but who do you recommend to assist in getting my vacation rental ad in a good position OR how can I do it myself.

Thanks,
Bill

39 | Papa Georgio

April 10th, 2009 at 2:56 am

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Use a more reputable company because I doubt the blog owner will let me tell you how to do it. :)

40 | Jeremy Scott

April 10th, 2009 at 9:51 am

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This is for Bill…
Well, I’m not sure what you mean by “my vacation rental ad”. Are you talking about Adwords? Or just your natural listing?

Either way, there is publicly-available information all over the web–for free–on how to get your business into Google’s local listings, how to optimize your site for organic search, and how to refine a pay per click campaign.

In fact, the only way anyone in this industry knows what they’re doing is by reading and soaking up the information from SEO and PPC blogs and guides. Heck, Google themselves will give you a lot of great direction on how to help your site or ads rank better.

I never try to keep my clients from the “how-to” information because it’s all out there anyway. The only reason I have a job as an SEO is because it can be very tedious, time-consuming work that many of my clients don’t have time for.

Or, as Papa suggests, you can look to more reputable companies. Never hire an SEO company that offers guarantees or uses buzz words like “magic” or “mojo” or any other hazy description of what they’ll do.

Always ask for a detailed statement of work. Reputable companies will list every single thing they’re going to do. Shady ones will just be vague and say things like “we’ll use our secret sauce to help your site become #1.”

Also, Google the name of the company you’re considering hiring and see what kind of reviews are out there on them.

41 | Papa Georgo

April 10th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

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Don’t just google the company name use keywords targeting what information you seek, for example:
“elocal reviews” or “elocal scam” this method usually digs up dirt you might be interested in before you make a choice.

42 | Papa Georgio

April 15th, 2009 at 11:48 am

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elocal gets a taste of their own medicine ha ha… have you seem this site? http://elocallisting.wordpress.com? it seems someone is now gathering all their complaints and making them more relevant across the web. At least someone knows what they are doing.

43 | Mike Estes

April 17th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

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I received a message from elocal today with their pitch. I’m a small business consultant and coach and they told me they had clients in my city waiting for me…..if of course I could use some extra business. It sounded suspicious to me so I did a quick search to find the real scoop on these guys.

Well written article by Jeremy and I truly love the response by Eric Jackson. Why scam people when you can make a great living providing value to clients that truly need it!

44 | Jeremy Scott

April 17th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

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Thanks for stopping by Mike. Glad our information was helpful to you.

45 | Milt Barder

April 29th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

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Probably the most whinging ever done in one thread. The Keystone goons are total comedy, but not as funny as all the “ex employees”….you’re doing good work if you are getting scammed by people - what are you guys, old ladies? I think eLocal must have knocked up Jeremy Scott’s daughter or something…keep hating, player…

46 | Janis

May 2nd, 2009 at 3:25 pm

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All one needs to do to investigate the credibility and business ethics of elocal listing in Temecula is to simply read the many complaints at Better Business Bureau, Ripoff Report or google elocal listing complaints . The BBB gives the company a “D” rating. I am a small business owner that made the wise decision not to do business with elocal listing. Milt, you are simply crass. There’s no need for that, and your comments only justify my decision. Thank you Jeremy Scott and Keystone for your informative and intelligent responses.

47 | vickie

May 7th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

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Dont hire Fence & Deck Depot in Hendersonville, TN
After they get your money they are through, work didnt last 2 months and started falling apart. I was told by them not to call again they wasnt going to stand by anything! i can show you pictures how bad these idots are.

48 | Sam

May 8th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

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I got a call from Andrew today, asked me go to Google page and type:’……. flooring in austin tx”, so I did and told me my comapny will be on that listing with map within a month. I was spectical but somehow he tricked me. He got my CC and asked me answer some questions which were recorded.After hanging up I checked and found this page. I immidately e mailed my bank to cancel these charges, hopefully they will stop payment. I actually found the pages they make up look like what he claimed.Like this their pages
Crooks big time!!

50 | Jeremy Scott

May 13th, 2009 at 7:23 am

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Wow. quite the discussion.

51 | Karen

May 15th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

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All I can say is check with your Better Business Bureau….there’s hundreds of companies, including high tech ones, with AAA+ ratings.

This company’s rating is a D.

Plus, they are very high pressure and aggressive. Means they are pushing for a commitment BEFORE you have time to evaluate and dig up any dirt.

52 | Papa Georgio

May 20th, 2009 at 2:42 am

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omg… have you guys seen this! eLocal seems to be having some issues with old employees whistle blowing their company’s practices…

http://ripoffreport.com/reports/0/403/RipOff0403083.htm

A company who’s own employees are now fighting against it, says a lot about the company. I am simply flabbergasted…

53 | Rose Fosh

May 20th, 2009 at 8:18 am

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We were contacted by this company, my husband thought, WOW what a great deal. I said wait let me check them out. Looking before you leap expecially with your CC is a great idea. Thanks for the heads up.

54 | Janis

May 24th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

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We have had an ad with elocal plumbers for several years, and had never had a customer lead until just lately. (As far as I can recall we never placed the ad with elocal plumber. I think they saw that we had good placement with search engines and placed us on their site.) In the past 3 weeks we have had 2 requests from customers needing bids for work from this elocal plumber ad. What a coincidence!

It was only 1 month ago that we had declined an offer from elocal listing in Temecula, CA. Are “elocal plumbers” and “elocal listing” in Temecula, CA affiliated? It seems too coincidental that for several years there’s been no response from the ad. Then after declining the elocal listing offer, we get 2 potential customers that are interested in our services. I think elocal might be sending us fraudulent responses from our ad to see if we will respond. Why would they do that? I’m thinking they will use the bogus customers to try once more to get us to sign on with elocal listing.

Does anyone know? Are elocallisting and elocal plumbers affiliated? There is also an elocal eletrician.

Thanks, Janis

55 | Papa Georgio

May 24th, 2009 at 9:04 pm

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It seems their is a community of seo professionals who are building a community against elocal on twitter lol check it out. http://www.twitter.com/elocalscams

56 | RJ

May 29th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

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I got scammed by elocal. They contacted me offering placements on the first page of Google and Yahoo for my vacation home. There was an initial fee and a monthly fee. Our site was never up on any of the phrases that they promised us, so I canceled after paying over $450. They kept charging my credit card and have done so for four months after a written cancellation. I am taking it up with the credit card company because they say that I never canceled even though I have an e-mail to one of the principals of the company. Don’t believe anything they say they are totally dishonest. When dealing with them trying to get my money back they pass me from person to person and put me on hold forever.

You think I would learn, I must just be stupid. Another company named Ilocal listing contacted me with a better deal. I told them I was not interested and a gentleman by the name of Michael Poirier, who said he was one of the owners of the company gave me a written guarantee that they would place my vacation home on the front page of Google Yahoo and MSN. Again paying them over $250 for the initial setup I was contacted by their company who promised me five phrases and said they could only deliver two. This was after Jack and me around for another month. They never made good again I had to contact my credit card company to stop payment on this scam.

I have been using net biz and it’s costing me a little bit more but they have my site number one in Google every time I check. So I decided to pay the additional amount and continue with this company. I will see what happens, RJ

57 | ex elocal employee

June 10th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

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You will be happy to arm yourself with a new set of ammunition against elocal listing: They have just done a MASSIVE reduction in staff. 26 elocal listing employees, largely consisting of customer service (odd, since we have seen in this blog alone that they are severely inadequate at catering to their employees on the phones already) The reason why? eLocal Listing has spent months dedicated to cross training and consolidating jobs; offering false promises of raises and implementing incentive processes ONLY to get a full view of departmental numbers with the sole intention of firing their hard working employees without any prior warning to meet a 15 million dollar investment requirement. What kind of sick company does this after their employees have created a more consistent and efficient business core and structure?? eLocal Listing.

If eLocal Listing holds a weekly production pep rally to promise it’s employees that they are soon to be millionaires and to swoon them into believing they are part of a unique FAMILY, and then fires nearly all of them for an investment opportunity, do you really think that they hold ANY value in their customer base!? The fact that they reduced and plan to outsource a large portion of CUSTOMER SERVICE truly speaks volumes for this company. eLocal Listing is not about a corporate family. eLocal Listing not about providing value to it’s customers. eLocal Listing is about selling themselves to the highest bidding and most ignorant investors possible.

eLocal Listing investors, think twice. If there are this many people that are THIS passionate about the shady business tactics, there is something wrong. Take a look at the product for what it really is. Yes, there is value. But not enough for you to invest in. This company thrived when it was a corporate family that genuinely cared about it’s employees and customers. They are a new company with a new plan….they stopped being honest with customers, investors, and their own employees nearly a year ago.

A disgusted ex employee.

58 | Rick Harris

June 11th, 2009 at 10:36 am

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My phone was “supposed to ring off the hook”according to e local.
I would hardly consider two calls in four months, off the hook. I then canceled the monthly fee and opted to pay per call. Now they billed me twice for the one client and three times for the second. They even note that they know the caller is the same person. What a mess.
Rick Harris-General Contractor.
PS. They are not as bad as Service Magic or Idearc. I am still trying to get back thousands of dollars from those goofballs. E-local just makes themselves unavailable to complain too. I tried ten days in a row and was promised a call back from Tech just so that I could get onto thier site. Absolutley no response as of yet.

59 | Mark

June 18th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

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I know these guys. Known them for years. I believe they do some shady things. However, keep in mind. How many satisfied customers are going to rant about how great the service is? If something is working would you tell the world and create more competition for yourself? The dissastified spread the word 10x more voraciously as it’s fueled with anger.

When they first started a couple of years ago, they did a better job. I saw almost every one of their clients get top placement in both google and yahoo. But, as in most business when you try to scale you sacrifice all the things that got you there in the first place. Sounds like they’ve made a mess of it.

60 | Eric Jackson

June 22nd, 2009 at 4:48 pm

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Mark, had they not told us blatant lies, I’d probably have a little more compassion for them.

61 | Papa Georgio

June 24th, 2009 at 1:22 am

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eLocal listing has no product, Their “fast found technology” is nothing but submissions to the 2 major search engines; Google and Yahoo. If you look at the work provided for the amount being charged you will understand, how does $59.00 dollars a month sound to you, not much right? How much does being charged $59.00 a month for doing absolutely nothing sound to you? Not good right? That’s what has been going on for years now, how does a company justify charging $59.00 a month for something that is done in 5 minutes, especially when software automation/macros are being used. If that isn’t bad enough how about being charged for this “technology” on a monthly basis, for a process that does not need to be managed. You see this company’s “business model” is based on two factors, One the company relies on a subscription model to maximize scam profits, when you have more subscribers then cancelations business is good. Two, because this business is also designed around reoccurring billing the scam proceeds without being detected, no one till this day has been able to call out elocal (except a former online character named “V”) on these scams because most of the people they have done business with are uneducated or unfamiliar with the technology thus becoming just another victim. Anyone who is knowledgeable in this field has said the same thing http://www.elocallisting.com, elocal listing LLC, search initiatives LLC or any of its other names is simply a scam… eLocal listing is crumbling and they are in desperate need of investment funds to keep managements personal interests intact (like the nice house in wine country Temecula that is being paid for by the company to keep party alive). Any individual or company that is planning to invest anything into this company is highly recommended they get their heads checked. Do efficient research on this company especially if they are trying to hook you on investing, take a look at their “fast found technology” look at the people who have been running this company, how much prior investment has the company had and ask yourselves do you really want to invest in something that is a ticking time bomb? Ask yourself how many times has this company received investment capital to perform the necessary tasks to take the company to the next level and yet they have failed, ask yourselves who are the ones making all the poor decisions and then again all you have to do is look into a mirror. Employee relations is a completely different subject that is also neglected at this workplace, if you look at the latest ripoff reports (ripoffreport.com) on this company employees are whistle blowing the company’s heavy drug use, hell people’s names where mentioned and yet HR did absolutely nothing. How can you have a functioning company when the ones running it can’t perform their jobs? This company has been hacked multiple times, where customer information was compromised, yet the company/upper management kept things quite to avoid lawsuits and never reported anything to customers. How can a company with such poor business ethics remain? Simple, fire all the ones who know too much and keep the new and ignorant, almost sounds like their sales tactics run parallel.

62 | Sam

June 25th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

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this is the reply I got from them;I cancelled within hours, they did not do anywork for me, still they want to keep my $79.00!! DO NOT EVEN TALK THEM ON THE PHONE BIG SCAM!!!

From: Customer Service (Add as Preferred Sender)

Date: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 2:39 pm
To: sales@designershardwood.com

Good afternoon Sam,

Unfortunately there is no refund due because we provided our service to you which was just beginning. We submitted your local listings to Yahoo & Google, and had built your eLocal Profile. After beginning the process, you decided to cancel service with us, which is unfortunate. We cannot provide a refund, as we began as our service to you.

Although we regret losing you, we do wish you the very best in all your future endeavors.

Thank you for your patience
Sincerely,

-CJ

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 11:38 AM, wrote:

Hi CJ,
I am waiting refund on the only charge you have made,it looks like it shows on your end as may8th, on my end May 12th,not the date matters, you have charged me $79.00 for the services I never received and cancelled immediately.I have never received any refund so far.
Please advise.

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